--Posted by BobThePlatypus at 22:46, 23 November 2012 (UTC), This article needs to loose the "THIS IS THE TRUTH AND THE BASTARDS ARE TRYING TO HIDE THE TRUTH FROM THE PEOPLE!!" Post was not sent - check your email addresses! I also removed a following paragraph, it proposes an explanation involving chloramine gas.

I believe such an inclusion requires some elaboration.

Chemotherapy does monstrous things to a person's biological chemistry.

As most people can readily detect a presence of mothballs in their proximity, and only microgram to milligram quantities of dimethyl sulfate were necessary for the Riverside incident, the postulated toxic vapor for the ER insult would seem not to be a problem. This article seems to be about her ER visit and death, not her life and who she was as a biography. All Rights Reserved.‎, Log in to The Morbid N' Macabre Discussion forum, Killers found not guilty by reason of insanity.

This DMSO section seems highly implausible. If you are on a personal connection, like at home, you can run an anti-virus scan on your device to make sure it is not infected with malware. I can't provide any meaningful input, but here's an old poem you might enjoy. A total of 23 out of 37 staff members that night were ill and 5 were hospitalized. Later in the article it says she died at 8:50, after 45 minutes of CPR and defibrillation. Two nurses moved Gloria’s body to an isolation anteroom. Everyone on duty at the hospital was stumped, they’d never heard of anything like this! Response to Terron: Please see the technical references added to the main article. Dr. Grant's peer reviewed paper clearly states that they are.

The references about this need to be replaced by peer reviewed refs, see WP:MEDRS. The one thing we can take to the bank was that, whatever happened, it was not just mass hysteria! What’s true is that if you add an oxygen atom to (liquid) DMSO via a suitable oxidation reaction, you get (solid) dimethyl sulfone, popular as a cutting agent for street drugs among other uses. Patient most likely suffered from cervical cancer with metastasis to brain. So, yes, single-atom changes in chemistry are known to alter many physical and chemical properties of matter, in this case going from an ingestible substance to a toxin. At first it was believed that, since the nurses who were passing out were women, that this was a simple case of (Eye roll) mass hysteria. It also incorrectly stated that the symptoms of the hospital staff are not common with exposure to dimethyl sulphates. Therefore. Based on the Discovery article, the team showed up at 11pm, less than three hours after Ramirez was admitted. Probably the most popular conclusion is that that Gloria, in a severe amount of pain, had been using a powerful degreasing gel, dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) for pain relief. Assuming this is true, only a small fraction, about 15%, of the DMSO4 would have converted to DMSO, and hence would have been detectable if it was present and tested for. They make an excellent case. It's original research.24.127.111.210 (talk) 20:44, 12 December 2018 (UTC), I have removed "Conspiracy" from the section entitled "Conspiracy theories".

It is more "Believe it or not: Cow with two heads foretells future", "Abominable snowman sightings in Appalachia", etc. As for dimethyl sulfate, an oily liquid at room temperature, its vapor pressure is greater than that of (for example) naphthalene (mothballs). • The entire DMSO section is totally ludicrous. • Response to Unsigned: Before you pass judgment on anything chemical, you would do well to gain at least some rudimentary comprehension of chemistry, chemical properties, and chemical reactions.

Completing the CAPTCHA proves you are a human and gives you temporary access to the web property. One of them, Sallie Balderas, began to throw up and complained her skin was burning. PS- There’s a new exclusive post on Patreon right now. A hazmat team was brought in to decontaminate the ER. It’s known to turn to crystals at room temp, that could be the cause of the particles floating in her blood. A big thank you to those of you who have joined the Patreon or have donated, it means the whole world to me . It opened up with a woman dying in the hospital.

Is this reaction spontaneously occurring? This explanation seems to violate even my meager understanding of chemistry. She’d been suffering from terrible chest pain as well as trouble breathing. The doctor on staff ordered blood work, which is often routine. Elevated ammonia was causing her confusion. Ramirez was described by those directly involved in the case as a noncompliant patient with terminal ... That solved that mystery, but then they had to discover who had killed the woman and why. Even after you stop chemo, it stays in your system for some time. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. "DMSO is relatively harmless, but with one oxygen atom added, it becomes dimethyl sulfone, But now add two oxygen atoms to dimethyl sulfone it becomes dimethyl sulfate." Really? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.251.139 (talk) 07:20, 15 February 2009 (UTC), I reverted an assertion that the DMSO4 would have completely reverted to DMSO by the time the hazmat team showed up because it has a 12-hour half-life.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulnus (talk • contribs) 02:48, 7 September 2020 (UTC), https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Death_of_Gloria_Ramirez&oldid=977126979, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 7 September 2020, at 02:49.

However, not every medical mystery is so easily solved. What this doesn’t explain is how she would be toxic to those around her. Performance & security by Cloudflare, Please complete the security check to access. When the young doctor smelled ammonia she w as tricked into thinking that breathing ammonia wil also cause a disease state. Gott (talk) 18:43, 8 December 2018 (UTC), I have removed an uncited paragraph debating the chemical explanation conclusions. The photos are the hardest part of this, for me.

Unfortunately, after 40 minutes of CPR and defibrillation, Gloria Ramirez was pronounced dead at 8:50 PM. Orbach told him, "I thought it smelled like bitter almonds," and the doctor replied, "Either one." It was obvious that whatever in the world was was going on here was very dangerous; the entire ER was evacuated immediately. I can (and do) verify facts from multiple sources before I post, but it’s much harder to do that with photos.

"We all remember Johnny, but Johnny is no more/'Cause what he thought was H20 was H2SO4".

The rest of it is a weak chain of "Somehow the blood becomes supersaturated with DMSO" and "Somehow it turns into dimethyl sulfone" and "somehow it became airborne". The staff was trying to save her when they noticed an odd smell. Ammonia levels alre now known to be elevated in many cositionsn. Based on this example of your understanding, you would also be strongly advised to refrain from editing anything in this area – or at least remaining anonymous. DMSO2 is also being used as a health supplement. This is sourced to a New England Journal of Medicine article that has nothing to do with Gloria Ramirez. This product would probably explain why her skin was so greasy, and a common side effect of using this is kidney failure.

Conventional chemotherapy was not part of her medical history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.89.42 (talk) 01:53, 17 January 2014 (UTC), I agree. If you are at an office or shared network, you can ask the network administrator to run a scan across the network looking for misconfigured or infected devices. The boiling point of a chemical compound, although related, is less important in this case than the material’s vapor pressure at ambient temperature. Another way to prevent getting this page in the future is to use Privacy Pass. When the nurse by the name of Susan Kane came in to take her blood, she noted that it smelled like ammonia; there were also tiny particles seen floating in Gloria’s blood specimen. You may need to download version 2.0 now from the Chrome Web Store. --Carbonrodney (talk) 10:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC), This is a sad and bizarre story, but I think there was an episode of Law & Order inspired by this.

The nurse became short of breath and passed out while stating that the smell was coming from the patient. Thank you for saying something! That picture looks like a still from the grey’s anatomy episode that was kinda based on this. What would cause the DMSO in her blood to react with the oxygen in her lungs to form dimethyl sulfate? So basically 10 minutes before she arrived at the hospital she was being ressucitated and then once she arrived they sedated her and began defibrillating. Evernut (talk) 17:21, 17 November 2012 (UTC), I think we should move this page to Death of Gloria Ramirez or something similar. However, there were rumours (only) at the time that she may have made trips to Mexico for laetrile or other unconventional treatment(s). Is this sounding familiar to anybody? Combined with a complete lack of citations, I am radically altering this section. The reaction of DMSO to DMSO4 by oxygen or air has also not been observed. --Bluejay Young (talk) 09:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC), Ramirez was described by those directly involved in the case as a noncompliant patient with terminal cancer. As you know, the only electronic I open is a crappy Android. tone. Morbid N' Macabre™️ - © 2020.

I feel that would be a more appropriate title for the contents of this article. Soulnus (talk) 02:42, 7 September 2020 (UTC), EDIT: I also see this page is listed in the "Conspiracy theories in the United States" category. Gloria Ramirez (January 11, 1963 – February 19, 1994) was an American woman from Riverside, California who was dubbed "the Toxic Lady" or "the Toxic Woman" by the media when several hospital workers became ill after exposure to her body and blood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.115.27.11 (talk) 00:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC), Hello?

Then the nurses began fainting, right there on the floor! The doctor explained that the woman smelled like cyanide, which he described as smelling like dirty sweat socks. The officials said they have concluded that the patient, 31-year-old Gloria Ramirez, died of heart and kidney failure caused by her cervical cancer that night in February and the case has been closed. Emergency room doctors can run test after test, they can theorize and medicate patients all day long, but there are some cases that never get cracked. Gloria was given multiple meds such as Xanax immediately in order to sedate the poor lady.

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